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Still practicing gargoyle anatomy.

According to Susan Pesznecker`s "Gargoyles" there is a story - perhaps written by Richard de Fournival in the 13th century - about two gargoyles, who were guarding the gates of a city. They had the ability to sense human's intentions and would only let people with good intentions enter the city. If people with a bad intenton tried to cross the gate, they would spit venom on them that would instantly kill these enemies.

Dare to cross the gate ;)

Azrael and Neomae (ARE) :iconazraelgargoyle: and me

NO STEALING!
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PawsOfSharpClaw Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
hawooo!! ^^

For me they look very realistic, so as I would like to see a gargoyle in real life. Very great work.
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ArtbyMaryC Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
I love the attention to anatomy and yet the simplicity!
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QueenyProductions Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008  Student Writer
cool, and the story behind it is pretty cool
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rocky-chan Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008
the pic looks really great and the story behind it sounds really interesting =)
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coda-leia Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Wow they are so cool !! lovely anatomy practice !
This story reminds me a scene from the Neverending Story with the sphinxes gate... I fave !
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Songficcer Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Looking awesome. Gonna color it???
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kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008  Student General Artist
What a fascinating story for a gatekeeper idea. :) I really like it.
I especially love the poses you have them in. what one would call the trademark gargoyle crouch :lol: The muscles and curved spines really give them a more animalistic bent I prefer to the usual humanizing.

It was said already, but I agree with some of the anatomical things. The males head is much too big which makes his body look pretty scrawny. Heads aside, I'd like to see the guy look more male. Not necessarily buffed out, but gender different in comparison to the girl garg. As it stands, Neo looks more buffed out than he does.
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Neomae Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the comment! =) I really appreciate it =D

I'm not sure about the head. Maybe the wing membran is kind of confusing. It makes the body look a whole lot thinner than it is. I'll have to look at that more closely before the coloring.

However, I think he does look male. You say there is not enough difference between the male and the female gargoyle in the picture. In fact I think that there is not much difference in the body structure of a male and a female gargoyle in general. If you look at gargoyle statues at buildings or at these small figures that are sold in gothic shops etc. you'll see that you often can't tell whether it's a male or female gargoyle you are looking at (Except for statues who have human like genitalia or brest - which I think mythical gargoyles do not have. They seem to be predators and I've never seen a lion or whatever with these). The male - female difference is strong in the TV-show but the TV show gargoyles are very much based on humans. There are big differences in the female and male anatomy of humans because men and women have had different roles right from the start - basically he had to hunt, she had to take care of the children. But considering that when it comes predators the male and the female beast both do the hunting I don't see why there should be big anatomical differences. And if you look at hunting animals like leopards or dogs you'll see that you can't tell whether the animal is female or male at first sight. The size often varies but not the muscle structure.
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kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008  Student General Artist
Whoa. I didn't mean for this to meander into debate over what makes a true furry or what 100% animal means. ^^; I was just touching on the anatomy. I think its cool you want to keep a bit of gender androgyny between the two, but I was just saying (genders aside), the male looks disproportionate. If you cut out his head from the image and lay it atop his torso, you can see its pretty big. I agree with you on the base muscle of the wings making him look scrawny. Since you seem to place alot of importance on making sure these characters are as natural and animalistic as possible, a good thing to note is that creatures with wings tend to have bigger ribcages/breast bone to support gliding/flight. So giving him a wider, stronger chest isn't outside the realm of your ideals and would prolly even out an disproportion. :)
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AzraelGargoyle Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2008
I think thats an optical problem. Consider that the wing is hiding part of the back. the torso is (if you make the wing-hide transparent) about 20% wider. taking that inti view the head seems to fit in size.
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Neomae Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't think that there is a debate o.o Is there?

I was already thinking about the chest thing for a while. I'm aware of the fact that they have to have pretty big chests for there are not only the muscles supporting the wings (like for birds or bats) but also the muscles of the arms. However, as there is no comparable animal in our nature I don't have any idea of how that would look like. After all there have to be some extra muscles compared to the usual human or animal anatomy.
I think I will try making it bigger. Thank you for your hint! =)

I get what you mean with the head. Still not sure about it, though. Azrael has a pretty big muzzle. Try to imagine the head without it. The skull size seems to be fine. I don't know. :?
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AzraelGargoyle Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008
I second that. I think thats a big problem especially in the furry-fandom for example. Regular animals are beeing humanized (anthro) and given human attributes. I dunno why - because part of the fandom cant realy deal with beeing 100% animal. Everything ist idealized and supersized (just think of pics with mega-boobs or 500 penises). Our approach to that matter is rather relaxed. We dont want to idealize things but rather try to come as colse to the real thin - whatever it may be.
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kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008  Student General Artist
This is an interesting point you've brought up and something worth discussing.
Regular animals are being humanized and given human attributes because the very definition of furry fandom is people devoted to anthropomorphic animal characters. I think saying furry fans can't deal with a real animal is a false argument because characters like Bambi, Simba from the Lion King or the rabbits from Watership down are 'true' animals (meaning they have no physical human attributes) yet are very integrated in the furry fandom and have a following. The only thing that makes them human is what (I assume) your characters share: a human awareness and personality of self.

Gargoyles themselves are idealized anthropomorphic characters regardless of their mythos. They are characters that act like people- at least in Greg weismans creative interpretation. If you are taking inspiration from that and trying to stay as close to the real thing as possible, would it not be out of the realm of possibility to make them more human?
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Neomae Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ooooh... here is were discussion is going on =D

I think there is no one-and-only definition for furry. The people I know tend to see furries as people who identify themselves with animals - some antropomorphic, some realistic - for different reasons. Some in a spiritual way, some as roleplayers, and so on. So for them (and for me) furry doesn't neccessarily mean anthropomorphic.
You are right: every furry character is kind of humanized bacause every furry has a human body and lives in a human society, although they may see their souls differently. That means that there is human thinking and human personality. A human cannot think like an animal (unless raised by one I guess).
But I already met a whole lot of people who claimed that humans are bad and evil and they are soooo proud to be different from them, to be an "animal" instead - and then you see their "animal" character and you see a human (human anatomy, clothes, a normal job,...) with some fur and a tail. I think these are the people Azrael talked about.

The gargoyles of the Disney cartoon are idealized, that's right. But although I got into contact with gargoyles for the first time through the TV show I don't take my inspiration from it anymore. Azrael in fact never watched the TV show and never got any inspiration from it. I have a spirituall link to the being gargoyle. No 4 fingers or toes, no cute tiny wings that can be cloaked around shoulders, no turning to stone, no eating fast food, no "protecting the castle until,..." and so on. To me gargoyles are more like animals - I think they hunt for food, live in caves, don't have TVs,...
Just my assumptions, of course - I didn't meet a flesh and blood gargoyle around here so far^^ Every one has his/her own ideas of mythical creatures, I guess.
Although I again and again have to read "gargoyles (c) Greg W.", he didn't invent them. He just made a TV show with them and - as you said - he has his own interpretation of gargoyles. He influanced the view on gargoyles far too much in my oppinion. I guess the reason why the TV show gargs are so much human is that he needed characters to identify with. It doesn't work otherwise. Imagine "Lion king" with lion like characters instead of humanized characters ^^° However, although I do not share Greg's view on gargoyles i still love the TV show. I like his characters, I like the storyline and everything. To me there just is a big difference between Greg's gargoyles and mythological gargoyles. But that's fine with me =)
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LexGoyle Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2008  Student Digital Artist
Ah finally someone who sees it that way.
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Elik-Chan Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
eomae you are GREAT!!
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BOBSZY Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008
Kick ass! =D

You must color this.
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Baerenki11er Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008
nice picture... i hope you give the pic some color someday :D
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Epantiras Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
great pic ^_^ :thumbsup: I hope you'll color it
good gargolye anatomy practice, even though I can still see some proporion errors (unles it's they way your gargoyles are, since they're not disney gargoyles anymore), mainly Azrael's head being too large compared to his body. I thought his neck was a bit too long too, but I saw that your gargoyle persona does have the same long neck so I guess it's ok
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Whimsy-Floof Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
That is neat. =)
Are you gonna color this?
Cuz it'd look awesome colored. =3
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